Judge David Carpenter
Judge David Carpenter posted on Facebook the following {presumably in connection with the story of Wisconsin judge arrested and charged in federal court for allegedly obstructing immigration agents):People should be aware that it’s not uncommon for ICE to seek to deport criminal defendants. If those defendants are out on bond, and ICE deports them, then prosecutors cannot prosecute them. We issue warrants for their failure to appear, but ICE doesn’t care. They deport them anyway. The cases remain open and unprosecuted because ICE has interfered with prosecution.
It’s also a very bad policy to create an atmosphere where criminal defendants who are on bond, or victims of crime, or witnesses to crime, won’t appear because they are worried about ICE taking them into custody. That’s not good for our community for obvious reasons.
Email to Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee re Judge David Carpenter and arrest of Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan
From: Rob Shattuck <rdshatt@aol.com>
To: [Sent to 51 members of Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee. Email addresses were obtained from Alabama State Bar website. It is believed the email address information is not available to general public, and email addresses are omitted here.]
Cc: Barry Marks <barry@leaselawyer.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 08:03:10 AM CDT
Subject: Judge David Carpenter and arrest of Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan
To Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee:
Judge David Carpenter posted on Facebook the following {presumably in connection with the story of Wisconsin judge arrested and charged in federal court for allegedly obstructing immigration agents):
People should be aware that it’s not uncommon for ICE to seek to deport criminal defendants. If those defendants are out on bond, and ICE deports them, then prosecutors cannot prosecute them. We issue warrants for their failure to appear, but ICE doesn’t care. They deport them anyway. The cases remain open and unprosecuted because ICE has interfered with prosecution.Perhaps Judge Carpenter's post could made a subject of an Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee discussion event at the annual Alabama State Bar meeting on July 16-19 at the Grand Hotel Golf Resort and Spa in Point Clear, Alabama.
It’s also a very bad policy to create an atmosphere where criminal defendants who are on bond, or victims of crime, or witnesses to crime, won’t appear because they are worried about ICE taking them into custody. That’s not good for our community for obvious reasons.
Thanks.
(for filing in Citizens Acting to End the Trump Presidency: The January 6th lawbreaker President, day 96)
From: Rob Shattuck <rdshatt@aol.com>
To: Brannon Buck <bbuck@badhambuck.com>; Terri B. Lovell <terri.lovell@alabar.org>; mckinney@watsonmckinney.com <mckinney@watsonmckinney.com>; suzanneduffey@mc-ala.org <suzanneduffey@mc-ala.org>; flatta@burr.com <flatta@burr.com>; wbrewbak@law.ua.edu <wbrewbak@law.ua.edu>; sgarrett@bsol.com <sgarrett@bsol.com>; ccampbell@faulkner.edu <ccampbell@faulkner.edu>; blakehudson@samford.edu <blakehudson@samford.edu>; christy.crow@jinkscrow.com <christy.crow@jinkscrow.com>; richard.raleigh@wbd-us.com <richard.raleigh@wbd-us.com>; daoffice@baldwincountyal.gov <daoffice@baldwincountyal.gov>; baldwinDA@baldwincountyal.gov <baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov>; "baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov" <baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov>; bob@schreiberadr.com <bob@schreiberadr.com>; jvance@law.ua.edu <jvance@law.ua.edu>; jws@willsellers.com <jws@willsellers.com>; cdobson@maynardnexsen.com <cdobson@maynardnexsen.com>; jwilson@birminghambar.org <jwilson@birminghambar.org>; Ross Cohen <rcohen@bakerdonelson.com>; spratling@wskllp.com <spratling@wskllp.com>; Mark Ezell <mee@ezell-law-llc.com>; John Steiner <john@steinerlawllc.com>; spoer@scottdukeslaw.com <spoer@scottdukeslaw.com>; ddowd@burr.com <ddowd@burr.com>; Chris Christie <chris.christie@dentons.com>; Gwen Windle <gwindle@charter.net>; hello@waterssullivan.com <hello@waterssullivan.com>; ryeilding@bradley.com <ryeilding@bradley.com>; glondon@burr.com <glondon@burr.com>; Celeste Grenier <furgren@gmail.com>; cpilcher@balch.com <cpilcher@balch.com>; info@fasking.law <info@fasking.law>; Edgar C. Gentle III <egentle@gtandslaw.com>
Cc: shannon.isbell@wbrc.com <shannon.isbell@wbrc.com>; Susana Schuler <susana.schuler@hearst.com>; brendan.kirby@fox10tv.com <brendan.kirby@fox10tv.com>; jama.killingsworth@waff.com <jama.killingsworth@waff.com>; Mike Wright <mwright@waaytv.com>; rmartin@cbs42.com <rmartin@cbs42.com>; Baylor Long <blong@hearst.com>; dwingard@wsfa.com <dwingard@wsfa.com>; news@mynbc15.com <news@mynbc15.com>; randy.merrow@fox10tv.com <randy.merrow@fox10tv.com>; gmcdonald@waka.com <gmcdonald@waka.com>; comments@abc3340.com <comments@abc3340.com>; newstip@abc3340.com <newstip@abc3340.com>; wvtm13@wvtm.com <wvtm13@wvtm.com>; dlamb@cbs42.com <dlamb@cbs42.com>; sdiorio@wvua23.com <sdiorio@wvua23.com>; Barry Marks <barry@leaselawyer.com>; Indivisible Birmingham <indivisiblebirmingham@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 02:48:12 PM CDT
Subject: Judge David Carpenter and arrest of Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan
To Alabama lawyers:
Judge David Carpenter posted on Facebook the following {presumably in connection with the story of Wisconsin judge arrested and charged in federal court for allegedly obstructing immigration agents):
People should be aware that it’s not uncommon for ICE to seek to deport criminal defendants. If those defendants are out on bond, and ICE deports them, then prosecutors cannot prosecute them. We issue warrants for their failure to appear, but ICE doesn’t care. They deport them anyway. The cases remain open and unprosecuted because ICE has interfered with prosecution.I have emailed the Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee suggesting that Judge Carpenter's post could made a subject of a Committee discussion event at the annual Alabama State Bar meeting on July 16-19 at the Grand Hotel Golf Resort and Spa in Point Clear, Alabama.
It’s also a very bad policy to create an atmosphere where criminal defendants who are on bond, or victims of crime, or witnesses to crime, won’t appear because they are worried about ICE taking them into custody. That’s not good for our community for obvious reasons.
Also, it would be nice if Alabama TV stations would contact the Committee or other Alabama lawyers to understand better Judge Carpenter's post and collateral ramifications and considerations.
Thanks.
(for filing in Citizens Acting to End the Trump Presidency: The January 6th lawbreaker President, day 96)
From Occupy Democrats Facebook April 25 at 2:05 PM ·
BREAKING: Former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance incinerates MAGA Attorney General Pam Bondi over her deranged appearance on Fox News during which she viciously attacked the judicial branch.
The Trump administration wants to destroy our court systems for good but thankfully heroes are standing up...
"No attorney general should ever speak like this. She's Trump's advocate, not the people's lawyer, which is what the AG's job is," Vance wrote on X, sharing a clip of Bondi.
"Whatever state she is barred in should start disciplinary proceedings immediately. This isn't subtle or arguable, it's wrong," she added.
In the clip in question, Bondi defended the Trump administration's decision to arrest a former judge in New Mexico for allegedly harboring gang members and undocumented migrants.
A sitting judge in Wisconsin was also arrested for allegedly helping an undocumented immigrant evade arrest after she stood up to plainclothes ICE agents agents who outrageously came to make an arrest inside her courtroom.
As is always with this administration, it's best to presume the worst and question any allegations that they level. They've been routinely deporting innocent people so we know that they have no interest in the truth.
"What's happened to our judiciary is beyond me," said Bondi, a flagrantly corrupt woman who during her time as Attorney General of Florida refused to join a lawsuit against the scam Trump University after Donald donated $25,000 to her PAC.
"When the American public hears this and they think these were once upstanding people in their communities and their professions and they put it all on the line for this," said the Fox host. "I mean, have you dug into their motive? Like what inspired them to carry out these acts and harbor criminals."
"They're deranged," claimed Bondi. "That's all I can think of. I cannot believe— I think some of these judges think they are beyond and above the law and they are not!"
Ironically, Donald Trump clearly sees himself above the law. He's a convicted felon and is still refusing to obey a 9-0 ruling from the Supreme Court to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States.
"And we're sending a very strong message today: If you are harboring a fugitive we don't care who you are," said Bondi. "If you are helping hide one, if you are giving a [Tren de Aragua] member guns, anyone who is illegally in this country, we will come after you and we will prosecute you."
"We will find you," vowed Bondi.
Let's be very clear. This is not about enforcing the law or keeping Americans safe. This is about terrorizing the judiciary so that judges are too afraid to stand up to Trump's increasingly fascist efforts to seize more and more power for himself.
Please like and share!
Email to Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committe re Joyce Vance, Pam Bondi and Judge DuganNo attorney general should ever speak like this. She's Trump's advocate, not the people's lawyer, which is what the AG's job is. Whatever state she is barred in should start disciplinary proceedings immediately. This isn't subtle or arguable, it's wrong. https://t.co/tIGLAH344O
— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) April 25, 2025
From: Rob Shattuck <rdshatt@aol.com>
To: [Sent to 51 members of Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee. Email addresses were obtained from Alabama State Bar website. It is believed the email address information is not available to general public, and email addresses are omitted here.]
Cc: katherine.robertson@alabamaag.gov <katherine.robertson@alabamaag.gov>; Barry Marks <barry@leaselawyer.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 at 08:47:09 AM CDT
Subject: Joyce Vance, Pam Bondi and Judge Dugan
To Alabama State Bar Bench & Bar Relations Committee:
This email is in follow up to my email to you yesterday related to arrested Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan and urging that the Committee hold a discussion event about the same at the July annual ASB meeting at the Grand Hotel Golf Resort and Spa in Point Clear, Alabama.
Yesterday Joyce Vance said on "X" this about Pam Bondi's actions and statements:
No attorney general should ever speak like this. She's Trump's advocate, not the people's lawyer, which is what the AG's job is. Whatever state she is barred in should start disciplinary proceedings immediately. This isn't subtle or arguable, it's wrong. https://x.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1915820459465085155Certainly, any discussion event that the Bench & Bar Relations Committee holds at the annual meeting as I am urging should extend to what Joyce Vance said about Pam Bondi per the above.
Perhaps the Committee could set up a debate between Joyce Vance and an Alabama lawyer who will argue the other side about Pam Bondi. Former United States attorney Jay Town comes to mind as a possibility. Even better maybe AG Steve Marshall would be willing to argue against Joyce Vance.
Thanks.
(for filing in Citizens Acting to End the Trump Presidency: The January 6th lawbreaker President, day 96)
From: Rob Shattuck <rdshatt@aol.com>
To: Brannon Buck <bbuck@badhambuck.com>; Terri B. Lovell <terri.lovell@alabar.org>; mckinney@watsonmckinney.com <mckinney@watsonmckinney.com>; suzanneduffey@mc-ala.org <suzanneduffey@mc-ala.org>; flatta@burr.com <flatta@burr.com>; wbrewbak@law.ua.edu <wbrewbak@law.ua.edu>; sgarrett@bsol.com <sgarrett@bsol.com>; ccampbell@faulkner.edu <ccampbell@faulkner.edu>; blakehudson@samford.edu <blakehudson@samford.edu>; christy.crow@jinkscrow.com <christy.crow@jinkscrow.com>; richard.raleigh@wbd-us.com <richard.raleigh@wbd-us.com>; daoffice@baldwincountyal.gov <daoffice@baldwincountyal.gov>; baldwinDA@baldwincountyal.gov <baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov>; "baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov" <baldwinda@baldwincountyal.gov>; bob@schreiberadr.com <bob@schreiberadr.com>; jvance@law.ua.edu <jvance@law.ua.edu>; jws@willsellers.com <jws@willsellers.com>; cdobson@maynardnexsen.com <cdobson@maynardnexsen.com>; jwilson@birminghambar.org <jwilson@birminghambar.org>; Ross Cohen <rcohen@bakerdonelson.com>; spratling@wskllp.com <spratling@wskllp.com>; Mark Ezell <mee@ezell-law-llc.com>; John Steiner <john@steinerlawllc.com>; spoer@scottdukeslaw.com <spoer@scottdukeslaw.com>; ddowd@burr.com <ddowd@burr.com>; Chris Christie <chris.christie@dentons.com>; Gwen Windle <gwindle@charter.net>; hello@waterssullivan.com <hello@waterssullivan.com>; ryeilding@bradley.com <ryeilding@bradley.com>; glondon@burr.com <glondon@burr.com>; Celeste Grenier <furgren@gmail.com>; cpilcher@balch.com <cpilcher@balch.com>; info@fasking.law <info@fasking.law>; Edgar C. Gentle III <egentle@gtandslaw.com>
Cc: shannon.isbell@wbrc.com <shannon.isbell@wbrc.com>; Susana Schuler <susana.schuler@hearst.com>; brendan.kirby@fox10tv.com <brendan.kirby@fox10tv.com>; jama.killingsworth@waff.com <jama.killingsworth@waff.com>; Mike Wright <mwright@waaytv.com>; rmartin@cbs42.com <rmartin@cbs42.com>; Baylor Long <blong@hearst.com>; dwingard@wsfa.com <dwingard@wsfa.com>; news@mynbc15.com <news@mynbc15.com>; randy.merrow@fox10tv.com <randy.merrow@fox10tv.com>; gmcdonald@waka.com <gmcdonald@waka.com>; comments@abc3340.com <comments@abc3340.com>; newstip@abc3340.com <newstip@abc3340.com>; wvtm13@wvtm.com <wvtm13@wvtm.com>; dlamb@cbs42.com <dlamb@cbs42.com>; sdiorio@wvua23.com <sdiorio@wvua23.com>; Barry Marks <barry@leaselawyer.com>; Indivisible Birmingham <indivisiblebirmingham@gmail.com>; katherine.robertson@alabamaag.gov <katherine.robertson@alabamaag.gov>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 at 09:31:07 AM CDT
Subject: Joyce Vance, Pam Bondi and Judge Dugan
To Alabama lawyers:
This email is in follow up to my email to you yesterday related to arrested Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan and about there being a discussion event about the same at the July annual ASB meeting at the Grand Hotel Golf Resort and Spa in Point Clear, Alabama.
Yesterday Joyce Vance said on "X" this about Pam Bondi's actions and statements:
No attorney general should ever speak like this. She's Trump's advocate, not the people's lawyer, which is what the AG's job is. Whatever state she is barred in should start disciplinary proceedings immediately. This isn't subtle or arguable, it's wrong. https://x.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1915820459465085155I have emailed the Bench & Bar Relations Committee to say that any discussion event at the annual meeting as I am urging should extend to what Joyce Vance said about Pam Bondi per the above.
I suggested to the Committee setting up a debate between Joyce Vance and an Alabama lawyer who will argue the other side about Pam Bondi. I mentioned former United States attorney Jay Town and AG Steve Marshall as possibilities to argue against Joyce Vance.
Can you think of any Alabama lawyer you would suggest for arguing against Joyce Vance?
Maybe Alabama TV stations would be up to the task of staging such a debate.
We'll see.
Thank you.
(for filing in Citizens Acting to End the Trump Presidency: The January 6th lawbreaker President, day 96)
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